Can’t Sleep? Your Nervous System May Be Stuck in Fight-or-Flight
What if your insomnia isn’t only a sleep problem?
In this episode of Beyond the Window Podcast, La Ventana Treatment Programs Chief Clinical Officer Sharon Volner, LMFT, sits down with longtime colleague Anita Kaplan, LCSW, to explore the connection between trauma, chronic insomnia, anxiety, PTSD, and the nervous system.
Anita specializes in trauma work using EMDR and shares how experiences we may not traditionally label as “trauma” can continue affecting us years later. Emotional neglect, not feeling seen or loved, an overly critical parent, relationship loss, work stress, divorce, and other major life transitions can sometimes leave lasting emotional and physiological patterns.
They discuss why two people can experience similar events and respond very differently, why comparing your trauma to someone else’s can interfere with healing, and why making space for painful experiences can be an important part of recovery.
The conversation then turns to chronic insomnia and what may be happening when traditional sleep-hygiene advice isn’t enough.
Anita explains how anxiety about sleep can become part of the problem itself. Tossing and turning, watching the clock, worrying about how you’ll function tomorrow, and trying to force yourself to sleep can further activate an already stressed nervous system.
Sharon and Anita also discuss CBT-I, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Insomnia, EMDR, nervous-system regulation, consistent sleep routines, and practical techniques for creating a healthier relationship with sleep.
Anita even walks Sharon through an EMDR-inspired resourcing exercise using the butterfly hug, bilateral tapping, visualization, breathing, the container exercise, and a peaceful-place exercise to demonstrate ways people can practice calming the nervous system.
In This Episode
• What trauma can look like beyond major catastrophic events
• Childhood emotional neglect and attachment wounds
• Why people sometimes minimize their own trauma
• PTSD and complex PTSD
• How EMDR therapy works with difficult or “stuck” experiences
• Traditional EMDR sessions versus longer EMDR intensives
• The connection between trauma and chronic insomnia
• Why the nervous system can become stuck in fight-or-flight
• How anxiety about sleep can perpetuate insomnia
• What CBT-I is and how it approaches sleep difficulties
• Why your bed can become associated with wakefulness and anxiety
• The “half-hour rule” for getting out of bed when you can’t sleep
• The importance of consistent sleep and wake routines
• Negative thoughts and beliefs surrounding sleep
• EMDR resourcing skills for calming the nervous system
• The butterfly hug and bilateral stimulation
• The container and peaceful-place visualization exercises
• Why practicing regulation skills before you desperately need them matters
• The importance of healing through connection
• Anita’s upcoming women’s trauma group
About Anita Kaplan, LCSW
Anita Kaplan is a licensed clinical social worker practicing in Westlake Village, California. She works with adults experiencing depression, anxiety, PTSD, complex PTSD, trauma, and insomnia.
Her practice incorporates EMDR therapy, trauma-focused treatment, insomnia work, individual therapy, and longer EMDR intensive sessions.
Learn more about Anita at:
AnitaKaplanLCSW.com
About La Ventana Treatment Programs
If you or someone you love is struggling with mental health challenges, trauma, or substance use, you don’t have to navigate it alone.
La Ventana Treatment Programs provides personalized, compassionate care focused on the whole person.
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https://laventanatreatment.com
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About Beyond the Window
Beyond the Window Podcast explores mental health, trauma, recovery, relationships, treatment, and the experiences that shape the way we think, feel, and heal.
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