Episode 6
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So it is like administering CPR. Yeah. Heimlich.
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Your offering assistance
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Heimleich. I'm helping you breathe live.
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Totally. Slam dunk. Protected.
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And I would like to change this
into the lifeguard exam,
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where people are proud that their child
knows how to do this, as opposed to
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this is for a bunch of dirty,
stinking, rotten people.
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I mean, I work in the home
with the homeless population
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and they're like, you and me.
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They just don't smell
quite as lovely as us, but they just us.
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That's a beautiful reframe, and I would
love for all of us to get to a place.
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And that's why I invited you here,
so that we can talk about it.
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And we could really break it down
and break the stigma
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and all have naloxone
to help resuscitate lives.
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Yeah.
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Because I know people have a very romantic
notion of what dead is.
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We think of James Dean and Marilyn Monroe.
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But, you know,
Luke is in a box on my bedside table.
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His ashes is still there,
and it's not glamorous.
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And guess what? Dead people don't come
back.
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Dead is dead.
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That's Sheila Scott.
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Nine years ago, a vibrant 23 year
old son, Luke, died of an overdose.
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Today, she carries both her grief
and his legacy forward
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by fighting to prevent other families
from knowing this pain.
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She trains teens to reverse overdoses,
shatters myths about who's at risk.
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Spoiler everyone, and exposes how just
three grains of fentanyl can kill.
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This is beyond the window.
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Hi, I’m Sharon Volner and we are here on
Beyond the Window podcast and my guest is
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Sheila Scott, founder, Empress
Queen of the lukelove Foundation.
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Tell me, Sheila,
what is the lukelove Foundation?
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What does it do?
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Well,
we started talking about traumatic grief
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because it started with me
publishing my journal
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from in the first year
after Luke was killed by a drug overdose.
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And then when I realized there's
no cure for what I've got.
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But naloxone became available
to households.
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We started training people
how to reverse overdose using naloxone,
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which is the medical term
for Narcan, is a brand.
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Most people know that
Luxardo is another brand.
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Because if the
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person who was with Luke that night
knew how to use it
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and knew the laws around it
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and knew what we teach,
Luke would not have died that night.
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So I moved into the space where
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prevention was better than living
with what I left with.
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And Luke's friends and Luke's associates.
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So the ripple of trauma when you lose
someone to overdose is phenomenal.
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And so I work with training people
how to reverse overdose in their friends,
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in strangers, because they don't
need to live with that trauma.
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And who is Luke?
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Luke is my son.
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He was 23 when he died.
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He was a renowned PA in the film industry.
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And the drugs didn't
come from the film industry.
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They did. But that's not where it started.
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I was
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doing a
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book reading in Northern Ireland,
in a stately home,
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and they were like, we're so lucky
that we're protected from this.
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And I'm like, oh, they think this
has got to do with the film industry.
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Luke's first hit of A-Class
drugs came from the Pony Club,
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which is like Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts
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on ponies as opposed to off ponies.
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And obviously it was from the model child
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that everybody was saying,
why can't you be more like that person?
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So it starts in very
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unusual places.
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And of course, as he grew up and became
a brilliant PA, the drugs are very widely
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available on film sets,
but they're widely available everywhere.
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And so that's just us.
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So just let's remember it all started
at the Pony Club, living in rural England.
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So there's a lot of stigma around
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drugs, substance use, experimentation.
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And I want to open up this conversation
because as a mom, myself
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and and having my daughter in high school
and middle school,
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I've been around many circles that have
said, oh, my kid, my kid's the good kid.
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My kid doesn't do that.
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And so help me with that
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because drugs are everywhere.
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And it's not just drugs.
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No it isn't.
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If you get me on a
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on a good day,
I will say, well, good kids have friends
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that make dodgy mistakes,
and even good kids make bad mistakes.
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If you get me on a bad day,
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I'll just say you saying Luke was bad?
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It's natural
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to think it's not going to be you
because it's too scary to look at.
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We have become so
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click baited into being outraged
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on such a high level
that we can't cope with too much.
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And it would be lovely
if it was just other people's children
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that died,
and it would be lovely if you could tell,
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and it would be lovely
if you could indemnify yourself.
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Let's not be like that crazy Englishwoman,
and our kids will be fine.
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That would be brilliant.
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But it's a false sense of security.
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It's a false indemnification
because if it was just
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a certain type of child, we wouldn't
have the epidemic that we have.
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It goes right across
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race, right across class, right across,
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income brackets.
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In fact, the high school in California
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with the most,
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overdose rate is the wealthiest county
in California.
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It's Marin County currently.
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What seems to change it?
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The anomaly in those high schools
is the ones that talk about it is
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the high schools
that have an open conversation.
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And in my experience, going round
training people of all walks of life,
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from street medics down to, you know,
people have me in their private home
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to talk to their children
and their friends children.
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What this does
is it opens up a conversation.
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And it warmed my heart when I left a house
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and all the mums were sending me
text saying,
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Little Sarah took an extra kick
because she turns out
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that her friend is at risk
and is using blah blah blah.
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Now, how are you going to open
that conversation up with your mum
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over the Cheerios?
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Unless you've had someone like me in there
going, I'm sorry, these are the facts.
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I'm quite brutal about it. And
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the other thing is,
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even if
your child is the perfect model child,
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they don't need to witness
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or be present for someone dying
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because the trauma is deep
and will never go away.
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And instead we empower them
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to be able to reverse that overdose
so they don't have to suffer that.
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And so yeah, we need the good kids
so that they can help
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the kids that make a dumb mistake, or what
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those people would like to call the bad
kids.
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Yeah.
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And we all know someone who likes
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a bump on a Saturday night and,
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or very rarely has a snort of something
or smokes or something.
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They don't need to die for that.
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So we just had, you know, here
we are in July.
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We just went through graduation season
and prom season.
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And, you know, I'm giving away Narcan.
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And, you know, this is for your teen
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and this is for your loved one,
and this is for your car and,
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I shared the story with you
where I gave them out.
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And I was told, we don't need this
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because we don't do those type of things
or, you know,
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we're only drinking or after prom
when they were handed back to me.
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We don't need this
because if my mom finds out,
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I'll be in trouble
or I don't want to upset anyone.
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If I have this in my car,
I don't want to give the wrong impression.
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So please speak to that.
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Well,
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of course, we would like to think
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that the only dangerous moment
is the prom.
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And that's not what the data shows.
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And we would like to think that
they only need it when they go to college.
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I'm like, you need it now.
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And the getting into trouble thing.
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This is an over-the-counter medication
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in every state in America.
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And it's that for a reason.
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When Luke died
and the lock zone wasn't in households,
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it's been around for years
and it took the numbers to get to.
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I think it was currently like 75,000
a year
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and lots of white kids before
we could have naloxone in our households,
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and it wasn't available when Luke died.
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So if everybody just
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has a more collective thought
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that if it's not for you, it's
for saving somebody else's life,
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because everybody who dies
is someone's child, someone's
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sister or brother,
and you are fully indemnified.
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You will not get into trouble for
using it, even if the person still dies.
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And we've had to write special laws
about that because people
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were more concerned
with keeping hold of their wealth
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and getting sued or getting into trouble
than saving a life.
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So this is like CPR or the controversial,
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conversation of if I give a teen a condom,
they're going to have sex,
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and it's going to promote it.
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So if some teen has
these kids in their car,
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that means they're more prone to do
drugs or.
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Yeah, I got a lot of it at home.
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I'm not rocking out
checking out the rainbow fentanyl.
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But also,
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do you have fire insurance on your house?
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Well, the answer is yes.
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Well, there you are.
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But I'm not planning a fire,
so it's like that.
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It's having the injury.
Yeah, because you never know.
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Yep. You never know. And,
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and also, it's
nice to have that confidence
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if we've got an army of people
who are carrying it.
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Also keeping it in
your car might not be fast enough.
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You know, keep it in your handbag.
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If the teens will tell you
my naloxone battalion,
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you come to my house and learn to train
other people, pack our kits for us,
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and they might get cold.
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They borrow a jacket, and every single
jacket pocket has a naloxone dose in it.
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It's like hair ties,
or cigaret lighters for smokers.
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They're in every pocket.
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And that's the way you have
to think of it.
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And because
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Sentinel neat designs can
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kill you in minutes, brain damage
will be completed by in four minutes.
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And an ambulance in the Los Angeles area,
even in an urban area, takes 11 minutes.
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And so you're it.
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You are the one.
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The person who's right there
next to the person is the one.
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And you'll be late to the party
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because you won't know they've taken it,
and you won't know what they've taken.
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So just jump in there,
get that shit up their nose,
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and that's all there is.
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And if a lot of people are dead
because the people who were with them
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were too scared to call for help
for whatever reason.
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You. You're. Hi.
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I'm. Hi. We've got drugs here.
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We're under age.
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Whatever the thing,
then they don't call for help,
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and the current drugs kill you so quickly
now, they might not kill you that fast
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because you might only have a measure,
a tiny grain, a tiny fraction of that.
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But they're on their way to killing you.
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And as I say, I
if if you if you, on probation or you,
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you go home,
someone's overdosing, party is over.
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We've got 20 kilos out the back.
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We're all going down.
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That doesn't indemnify
you against previous criminal activity.
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But teenagers need to know.
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And so do grown ups, that,
oh, I might get into trouble.
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The police can't touch you and it's on
my website, the laws for California.
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And you can look them up by state
on my website too.
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So likely Luke is dead
because the person who was with
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him was too scared to call for help.
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And part of the training
isn't just naloxone administration.
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It's about how the laws
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work, how to identify overdose.
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We have a five year old
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who saved someone's life by coming in
and saying, mommy, he's a funny color.
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We have a 12 year old who administered
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the the naloxone and saved their lives.
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So just let us be in
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the just say no space and not in the well.
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I can't handle this.
You've got fire insurance.
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You're not expecting to go home
and find your house on fire, right?
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So no. As in no. Yes. No. The facts.
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So what about families that say, well,
my kid doesn't do fentanyl,
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so do we need naloxone?
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Well.
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You don't know whether your child is doing
fentanyl or not.
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They might be,
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getting Adderall
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so that they can ace an exam or ace
a baseball game.
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They might be getting it
from an illicit source.
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And 98% of what the DEA has seized,
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whatever it's supposed to be,
have fentanyl in it.
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So you don't know.
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And the point of taking drugs
and the point of slipping in Adderall
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or Xanax when you want to do is you
want to be removed from reality and facts.
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So we're talking about any pill.
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So we're talking about anyone
trying a Xanax, trying Adderall, trying
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cocaine, trying anything
that wasn't in a prescription bottle
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for them specifically that could be laced
with any traces. Yes.
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Even if you get it from a lovely person
like me, you don't actually know
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where you slip of reality
I had when I procured them.
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Yeah. So,
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Yeah,
that is completely what is happening.
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And we've got this whole faction of people
who are whining, oh,
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my son was poison and he didn't overdose.
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Well, overdose
just means that too much of something
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catch your receptors
and you ceased to breathe right?
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The stigma of they were poisoned
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means that they didn't do it on purpose.
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And overdose and death
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has no judgment in your brain.
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Your body doesn't
have a different response
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to illicit drugs
than it does to a prescription drug.
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And so,
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no, they it would be suicide
if they meant to do it.
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That would be another category.
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But literally don't come whining to me.
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Or as Luke would say, mate,
what do you want?
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It's a drug deal. Right?
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So we're not talking about kids
identified as addicts.
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We're talking about people
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who take something to escape,
to feel different, to party.
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Yeah.
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And reality is not part of that gig
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that's inherent in drug use, right?
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Nobody says, hey, let's go and try meth
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on a Tuesday morning at 11 a.m..
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It'll be peer pressure.
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It'll be the hot girl or the hot boy,
or you have anxiety.
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And everyone at the party
seems to be having a fabulous time.
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And you're sitting there
chewing your nails, feeling all anxious.
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Why don't you have one of these
and the person you will be offering them
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to your children
will often be, I'm having a great time.
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I want you to have a great time. Yeah.
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How many times have you gone somewhere?
And some of these.
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Go on, share and have a drink.
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Have a glass of wine and you're like,
no, I've got to get up in the morning,
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go and just have a little one
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expand that.
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How many people
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have to have a cup of coffee
before they walk into a boardroom,
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have a gin and tonic
before they deal with their in-laws?
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It's the same thing.
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Yeah.
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And remember, the good thing about drugs
if you're a teenager is
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you can't smell it.
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You can smell alcohol, right?
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So no one's good to know.
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So how does it work?
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Where do you get it?
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How does the lock sign? Yes.
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The lock sound is available
over the counter
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in every single state in America.
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It's like 44, 99 and plus tax.
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And if you think that's expensive.
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The day before that happened, it was $180.
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California has an online thing
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where you can get it for 24,
99 plus postage and packing,
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or you can get it from organizations
like myself
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where the California Department of Health
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give it to us for free
and we distribute it.
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And the most common, where's it going?
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The most common
version of it is an is a nasal spray,
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and it is administered
simply by putting it into the nose
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and firing it like fancy Flonase.
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But what I encourage people to think of it
as is, is not a nasal spray.
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I want you to think of it as a brain
spray that we access via the nose.
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Right?
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And then even if the person is no longer
breathing by chemical reactions,
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it will move into the parts of the brain
and uncap the opioid.
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The opioid will come down onto
your receptor in your brain or receptors
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all over your brain and body.
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But let's just keep it simple and cap
it, and breathing will cease.
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So it's a bad design.
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This part of your receptors
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is where the opioid recedes, but
it's also what controls your breathing.
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But people just suffocate.
That's how it works.
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And the lock sound has a greater affinity,
and it will bump the opioid off.
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But the opioid won't die.
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The opioid will still be there.
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And so were this last 30 to 90 minutes.
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And the opioid overdose could return.
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It only works on opioids.
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So if you're having an overdose
from alcohol,
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Adderall, cocaine, whatever,
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it's the fentanyl or the opioid component
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that it works on and then it will
allow breathing to resume.
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We encourage that.
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You call an ambulance
because you don't know what they took,
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and you don't know what other effects
are coming into play.
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They might be having a cardiac arrest.
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They might be toxic,
followed by something else.
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If you're wrong and it's not an opioid
overdose, you won't harm them.
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But I encourage when you call 911
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that you speak to what you see
person is unresponsive.
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The most important thing
we teach our teens is the sternal rub.
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And if you don't want to get involved
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in this whole area,
then you can do it on the top lip.
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And it's painful.
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And if the person doesn't groan or moan,
they're out
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and you start administering the lock,
saying,
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what I don't want to encourage
my teens to do is run around the streets
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and take all the homeless people
who have had to do God knows what in order
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to afford their fentanyl dose,
that they're in a different category.
00:20:02:17 - 00:20:05:18
Their goal is
to be just this side of dead.
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That's that's where they're going.
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That's what they want.
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And so don't be knocking that out.
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If they're responsive,
then leave them be or maybe monitor them.
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But when we're talking about the teens
and the opioid and,
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the people
who are not used to taking opioids,
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you need to get in there swiftly
because their tolerance is not high.
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And they might have got I mean,
three grains of salt will kill you and me.
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Worth of fentanyl dead in seconds.
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And you don't know
where the grains of salt are.
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So, you know, it's like
I think the Americans like to talk to.
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I've got this very advanced thing
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where I hand out
little baggies with three grains of salt,
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and then I hand out an eight ball of salt
with three grains of pepper
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and try and say, well, if you tested it
here, you'd look like you're good to go.
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But if you come down here
and here's all the fentanyl,
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I think you call that a chocolate chip
cookie effect, where all the chocolate
00:21:02:21 - 00:21:05:13
could be in one section of the cookie.
00:21:05:13 - 00:21:08:05
And no, you can't see it,
you can't smell it.
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And also, everyone's still talking about
fentanyl, but neat things or notices.
00:21:13:12 - 00:21:16:01
It's like the tomato tomato thing.
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They're the new kids on the block.
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They're not a fentanyl analog.
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And so that's a legal whac-a-mole around
00:21:22:06 - 00:21:25:17
all of the new fentanyl laws,
which are pointless.
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And so I whereas I'm quite political
about that,
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my game is to save lives, teach people
how to use naloxone,
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give them the information
and the courage to use it. And
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the parents are resistant.
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But if you talk to the kids,
I mean those kids that hand it,
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they're worried about being in trouble
with that.
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Parents send the parents to me.
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Let's have a chat about it.
Take a look at Luke.
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The picture that we use all the time is
three weeks before Luke died.
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I challenge you to know when you
you can't tell.
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You just.
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You couldn't know if I was taking heroin.
00:22:02:21 - 00:22:04:17
Everybody thinks they're going to know.
00:22:04:17 - 00:22:06:20
I wish it was that easy.
00:22:06:20 - 00:22:07:23
I know it doesn't discriminate.
00:22:07:23 - 00:22:10:13
It's kind of everywhere.
And kids are going to parties.
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People are going to parties,
00:22:11:16 - 00:22:13:10
and people don't know what they're
putting in their bodies.
00:22:13:10 - 00:22:17:09
Yeah,
we did a school recent, recently where
00:22:17:10 - 00:22:22:07
the night before,
I trained all the parents at the school.
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And then the next day I went into the, you
know, the 500 kids in one of these gyms
00:22:27:19 - 00:22:31:09
that I'd never seen it apart
from on the TV, those big American gyms.
00:22:31:23 - 00:22:34:23
And the parents were like,
it's in the cocaine.
00:22:35:07 - 00:22:38:07
And all the colored
drained out of their faces.
00:22:38:09 - 00:22:41:08
And so I really wanted
to go to the children and say, you might,
00:22:41:08 - 00:22:42:13
you might want to be thinking
00:22:42:13 - 00:22:45:05
you're going to be revising
when your parents, friends,
00:22:45:05 - 00:22:48:10
and the other common thing is, oh, no,
00:22:48:10 - 00:22:51:10
my dealer tests all my drugs for me.
00:22:51:17 - 00:22:54:11
Well, let's let's look at
how does that look?
00:22:54:11 - 00:22:57:11
So you and I have just taken
a massive delivery,
00:22:57:20 - 00:23:02:12
and we're going to empty all our entries
and do the milligram
00:23:02:12 - 00:23:05:18
saying the milliliter thing and dilute
it just so.
00:23:06:06 - 00:23:10:07
And then we're going to put
the testing strip in all our giant trays.
00:23:10:17 - 00:23:14:19
And then if it's negative we're going
to rehydrate it and then put it into bags.
00:23:14:23 - 00:23:16:15
What do you think they're doing there.
00:23:16:15 - 00:23:19:15
What they might be doing
is spot testing their baggies.
00:23:19:16 - 00:23:24:07
So then we can look at what happened
in a nightclub in Los Angeles
00:23:24:07 - 00:23:27:06
where Dance Safe,
which is an organization that tests drugs.
00:23:27:13 - 00:23:29:03
We're testing drugs.
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Someone took the baggie out there
and it tested positive for fentanyl.
00:23:33:23 - 00:23:37:11
So they went down to the dealer
and said, hey, you got Fenty in your gear.
00:23:38:01 - 00:23:40:14
And the dealer was like, oh, Christ.
00:23:40:14 - 00:23:42:00
And then came running up.
00:23:42:00 - 00:23:45:19
They tested nine or more bags
and they tested negative.
00:23:46:06 - 00:23:46:17
Yeah.
00:23:46:17 - 00:23:51:13
So you're really you're it's
a bit of a Russian roulette thing.
00:23:52:09 - 00:23:54:15
So we also supply fentanyl test strips.
00:23:54:15 - 00:23:57:07
Now for the addict population.
00:23:58:06 - 00:23:59:15
They use them to test that
00:23:59:15 - 00:24:02:15
there is fentanyl in it because that's
what they think they're buying.
00:24:03:03 - 00:24:06:20
It is is is always
there's some comedy in the middle of it.
00:24:07:05 - 00:24:11:11
And the teenagers are using it
to avoid fentanyl all night scenes.
00:24:12:02 - 00:24:15:05
So what if the kids are getting pills
or teens or adults or
00:24:15:12 - 00:24:18:10
and I'll borrowing Xanax,
handing out Adderall.
00:24:18:10 - 00:24:20:13
They're at risk. They're at risk.
00:24:20:13 - 00:24:25:18
They're a massive risk because if it's
from an illicit source we have no idea.
00:24:26:12 - 00:24:29:04
And also
there is a cross contamination thing.
00:24:29:04 - 00:24:34:05
Some even if your dealer has got hold
of pharmaceutical Xanax,
00:24:34:05 - 00:24:38:02
whatever oxy percocets like in Norco,
00:24:38:21 - 00:24:42:07
they might be bagging it up on a table
where they've
00:24:42:08 - 00:24:44:16
previously been fiddling with fentanyl.
00:24:44:16 - 00:24:48:15
And when you see how little can kill you,
you can see unless they've
00:24:48:21 - 00:24:52:15
hermetically cleaned the entire table,
you can get it.
00:24:52:15 - 00:24:53:18
Contamination.
00:24:53:18 - 00:24:57:01
So how do you speak to the denial
of the families
00:24:57:11 - 00:25:01:06
and affluent,
middle class, affluent anywhere, actually,
00:25:01:15 - 00:25:02:20
where the parents are saying,
00:25:02:20 - 00:25:05:04
my kid doesn't do this,
this is not what's happening.
00:25:05:04 - 00:25:05:19
Great.
00:25:05:19 - 00:25:08:16
You little kids
available to save someone else's kids.
00:25:08:16 - 00:25:09:21
Yeah, fabulous.
00:25:09:21 - 00:25:13:07
And also another reason is that
00:25:13:17 - 00:25:18:13
in the elderly population and they do,
you know, women who have suffered this
00:25:19:01 - 00:25:24:09
when they are elderly
or anyone who takes benzodiazepines,
00:25:24:09 - 00:25:28:16
Xanax is because,
as you know, functions on a memory.
00:25:29:20 - 00:25:31:01
Alteration.
00:25:31:01 - 00:25:34:05
They'll take a medication, they'll forget
they've taken it and take it again
00:25:35:22 - 00:25:37:20
and it'll kill them.
00:25:37:20 - 00:25:41:08
So there are many ways that people
00:25:41:08 - 00:25:44:11
can overdose even on prescription drugs
and we bring them in.
00:25:44:16 - 00:25:49:14
But usually I'm like well
have you spoken to your child about this?
00:25:49:14 - 00:25:52:14
And if they're all in the same room
at the same time,
00:25:53:02 - 00:25:55:05
there's a little bit of silence
to start with.
00:25:55:05 - 00:26:00:11
But I'm kind of they'll get galbi
and start to talk about stories.
00:26:01:07 - 00:26:04:20
One training
I was leaving, a private house,
00:26:04:20 - 00:26:07:12
and the young man suddenly said,
00:26:07:12 - 00:26:11:14
what if I can't call the police
if this happens at my party?
00:26:12:07 - 00:26:16:07
And he is a student
at a very wealthy school,
00:26:16:07 - 00:26:20:09
which we've got a lot in California,
and they're like having project
00:26:20:09 - 00:26:24:07
X type parties with valet parking,
you know, the whole thing.
00:26:24:14 - 00:26:28:05
And the parents are on
some yacht in the med,
00:26:28:13 - 00:26:31:08
and they're not even there, and the kids
are having a party without them, he said.
00:26:31:08 - 00:26:32:18
My friends will kill me.
00:26:32:18 - 00:26:38:07
And the mother started off my rack
like I used to, and I'm sure you do too.
00:26:38:19 - 00:26:41:19
And I was like,
mom, zip it. Okay, tell me.
00:26:41:21 - 00:26:43:19
And he goes, I couldn't possibly call.
00:26:43:19 - 00:26:46:06
And I got, okay, so this is what you do.
00:26:46:06 - 00:26:49:20
You follow them around with your second
and third doses and maybe you've
00:26:49:20 - 00:26:53:10
got some other good children at the party
who are carrying the locks on,
00:26:53:16 - 00:26:55:08
and you might eat 8 or 9
00:26:55:08 - 00:26:58:16
and you follow them around,
because the half life of that opioid
00:26:59:03 - 00:27:02:22
might be longer than the naloxone works
and it might return,
00:27:03:06 - 00:27:07:00
or you might be having a stroke,
or you might have been affected by this.
00:27:07:00 - 00:27:10:00
Either you know, the something else
or the all the other nonsense
00:27:10:04 - 00:27:13:02
night scenes were not approved by the FDA
00:27:13:02 - 00:27:16:03
because they have a high cardiac risk.
00:27:16:19 - 00:27:19:07
And and so that's
00:27:19:07 - 00:27:22:09
why the cartels went and found it,
because it's not a fentanyl analogs.
00:27:22:09 - 00:27:23:18
So bypass it's the laws.
00:27:23:18 - 00:27:24:23
What if they're having a cut it.
00:27:24:23 - 00:27:27:10
The locks on won't help
with the cardiac arrest.
00:27:27:10 - 00:27:29:18
It'll get you breathing again.
00:27:29:18 - 00:27:32:04
And so this child was like great thanks.
00:27:33:14 - 00:27:36:14
And the mother was like and I was like
yeah we wish.
00:27:36:15 - 00:27:39:13
But there's myriad reasons
00:27:39:13 - 00:27:42:13
why someone might not phone
for an ambulance.
00:27:43:21 - 00:27:45:18
In my country ambulances are free.
00:27:45:18 - 00:27:48:12
There's you number one.
They might not be documented.
00:27:48:12 - 00:27:50:19
There might be
there might be many reasons.
00:27:50:19 - 00:27:53:18
So when you call
911 and request assistance,
00:27:53:18 - 00:27:56:17
speak to what you see person unresponsive.
00:27:56:17 - 00:27:59:03
You don't actually know
that they are having a drug overdose.
00:27:59:03 - 00:28:01:13
Maybe because then the cops show up.
00:28:01:13 - 00:28:02:05
And contrary
00:28:02:05 - 00:28:05:22
to popular belief, not all of the cops
in California are carrying naloxone.
00:28:06:05 - 00:28:07:19
We supply some of them.
00:28:07:19 - 00:28:10:02
So I've actually responded to,
00:28:10:02 - 00:28:12:15
you know, in my line of work
where there was an overdose
00:28:12:15 - 00:28:17:02
and I showed up after the police showed
up, after ambulance showed up and
00:28:18:05 - 00:28:19:19
firsthand witness,
00:28:19:19 - 00:28:23:17
they revived him and they took him the
an ambulance and there were zero arrests.
00:28:24:00 - 00:28:25:21
Is that like what's expected?
00:28:25:21 - 00:28:27:20
That's exactly what should happen.
00:28:27:20 - 00:28:32:14
And I have been asked by some of my teens
if they can make me
00:28:32:14 - 00:28:34:02
their first phone call.
00:28:34:02 - 00:28:36:18
And I doled out my phone number.
00:28:36:18 - 00:28:40:17
And then the second question is, can we
put you on Tik Tok telling the cops off?
00:28:41:02 - 00:28:42:17
And I'm like, yeah.
00:28:42:17 - 00:28:44:23
Yeah, so people can ask for help.
00:28:44:23 - 00:28:47:22
People can use naloxone.
They will not be arrested now.
00:28:47:22 - 00:28:52:15
And if you are in concert
and then I urge you to go to our website,
00:28:52:15 - 00:28:58:03
which is Luke love.org
and go to the section of over
00:28:58:03 - 00:29:01:07
which is Overdose Response
and go to the little screenshot that
00:29:01:12 - 00:29:02:19
respectfully officer.
00:29:03:18 - 00:29:06:06
And then
you show them the California laws.
00:29:06:06 - 00:29:10:00
Or if you were out of state,
you can go and look up the current laws
00:29:10:00 - 00:29:14:21
that and respectfully officer,
I mean, when I work downtown,
00:29:15:09 - 00:29:18:07
I say a lot because the cops don't
always know the correct law
00:29:18:07 - 00:29:21:15
and they all laugh at me and go,
yeah, Sheila, we know.
00:29:21:21 - 00:29:26:11
But if you're doing it in a
more affluent area, they are shocked. So,
00:29:27:13 - 00:29:30:16
or in the prison population,
they've got a whole nother set of rules.
00:29:30:23 - 00:29:32:13
But no, they cannot.
00:29:32:13 - 00:29:33:12
That won't stick.
00:29:33:12 - 00:29:35:21
So it is like administering CPR.
00:29:35:21 - 00:29:38:06
Yeah. Hire offering assistance.
00:29:38:06 - 00:29:38:22
Heimlich.
00:29:38:22 - 00:29:42:02
I'm helping you breathe live. Totally.
00:29:42:02 - 00:29:45:00
Slam dunk. Protected. Yeah.
00:29:45:00 - 00:29:48:15
And I do understand.
00:29:48:18 - 00:29:53:13
I would like to change this
into the lifeguard exam,
00:29:54:04 - 00:29:59:02
where people are proud that their child
knows how to do this as opposed to
00:30:00:01 - 00:30:00:11
this is
00:30:00:11 - 00:30:04:10
for a dope, but bunch of dirty, stinking,
rotten people.
00:30:04:10 - 00:30:07:11
I mean, I work in the home
with the homeless population
00:30:07:17 - 00:30:10:21
and they're like you and me, they just
don't smell quite as lovely as us.
00:30:11:05 - 00:30:12:10
But they just us.
00:30:12:10 - 00:30:14:00
Yeah, that's a beautiful reframe.
00:30:14:00 - 00:30:16:00
And I would love for all of us
to get to a place.
00:30:16:00 - 00:30:17:08
And that's why I invited you here.
00:30:17:08 - 00:30:18:16
So that we can talk about it.
00:30:18:16 - 00:30:21:16
And we could really break it down
and break the stigma and
00:30:22:09 - 00:30:25:23
all have naloxone or auto or Narcan
or whatever
00:30:25:23 - 00:30:30:22
we need to have on our person
to help resuscitate lives.
00:30:30:22 - 00:30:33:22
Yeah, because you can't undo.
00:30:34:02 - 00:30:38:04
I know people have a very romantic notion
of what debt is.
00:30:38:04 - 00:30:43:15
Yeah, we think of James Dean
and Marilyn Monroe and la la la.
00:30:43:15 - 00:30:47:04
But, you know,
Luke is in a box on my bedside table.
00:30:47:04 - 00:30:49:02
He's actually is is still there.
00:30:49:02 - 00:30:50:14
And it's not glamorous.
00:30:50:14 - 00:30:53:13
And guess what? Dead people don't come
back.
00:30:53:13 - 00:30:55:21
Dead is dead.
00:30:55:21 - 00:30:58:23
And I know that takes a little bit
to sink in.
00:30:58:23 - 00:31:02:18
But amongst the grieving
parents, we're like, there's a poem.
00:31:05:04 - 00:31:07:07
It's called The Distressed Haiku.
00:31:07:07 - 00:31:10:15
And it's you think the worst thing
that can happen is that they die
00:31:11:13 - 00:31:13:19
and then they stay dead.
00:31:13:19 - 00:31:16:09
And this is
00:31:16:09 - 00:31:18:20
just doesn't
need to happen to our children,
00:31:18:20 - 00:31:21:14
and our children don't need to have
it happen to their friends,
00:31:21:14 - 00:31:24:14
or they don't need to witness
it happen to a stranger
00:31:25:11 - 00:31:28:12
or or even if it's the asshole
00:31:28:12 - 00:31:31:12
in the classroom that everybody hates.
00:31:31:19 - 00:31:34:12
They don't need to witness that either.
00:31:34:12 - 00:31:38:01
Shame
is something that will come, and guilt
00:31:38:01 - 00:31:41:18
will come back and bounce on them later,
and they don't need to.
00:31:42:15 - 00:31:47:08
In fact, my teens are proud and strategic
00:31:47:18 - 00:31:50:13
and also they're very well informed.
00:31:50:13 - 00:31:53:23
Mostly when you talk to a teenager
who thinks they're striking a blow
00:31:53:23 - 00:31:57:19
for that personal freedom to take
a bunch of drugs when they hear that
00:31:57:19 - 00:32:02:14
the reason that we're lacing the drugs
with fentanyl is that we can hook you,
00:32:03:05 - 00:32:06:17
that we all know someone who likes a bump
on the Saturday night thing.
00:32:07:02 - 00:32:11:05
But if I slip you a little frenzy, it's
so addictive.
00:32:11:17 - 00:32:14:18
Providing you survive,
you're coming back to me on Tuesday,
00:32:14:18 - 00:32:18:12
Wednesday or Thursday, and then they get
really indignant and moral
00:32:18:12 - 00:32:22:06
and like, well, I can't believe that,
you know, a business decision.
00:32:22:11 - 00:32:24:00
What do you think a cartel is?
00:32:25:08 - 00:32:27:18
And eight
00:32:27:18 - 00:32:33:11
children and teenagers are fabulous,
but sometimes they don't think.
00:32:33:11 - 00:32:37:15
In fact, most of the time the glorious
thing about them is they don't think. And,
00:32:39:09 - 00:32:42:20
this is a safety net,
just like your fire insurance.
00:32:43:00 - 00:32:43:18
Yeah.
00:32:43:18 - 00:32:48:10
So you started Luke love
to promote education to save lives.
00:32:48:20 - 00:32:51:16
And tell me about your battalion team.
00:32:51:16 - 00:32:54:20
Well,
I started doing this part of late last
00:32:55:21 - 00:32:58:21
because I thought I could use it
to change the conversation.
00:32:59:21 - 00:33:04:05
And I thought I would just train a few
friends and some extraneous extra people.
00:33:04:10 - 00:33:08:21
I had no idea that I'd be doing it
this long and having trained thousands
00:33:08:21 - 00:33:13:14
and thousands, yet I hadn't thought
about actually saving lives.
00:33:14:06 - 00:33:16:06
I know that sounds nuts.
00:33:16:06 - 00:33:20:19
So when I got a text message
that a life has been saved, or I hear from
00:33:20:19 - 00:33:25:18
somebody like yourself that my kit
has saved someone, the truth of it is
00:33:26:23 - 00:33:28:07
I find it
00:33:28:07 - 00:33:31:22
really moving and I'm surprised.
00:33:32:08 - 00:33:35:17
I now go and sit outside
where I used to sit with Luke and chat,
00:33:35:22 - 00:33:41:02
where I still wait for him
and I feel that my heart is golden strings
00:33:41:02 - 00:33:46:01
and they kind of go out
and find the mother's heart.
00:33:47:03 - 00:33:50:03
I'm like, oh, it's still hold for now.
00:33:50:18 - 00:33:53:01
And so I'd like to say
00:33:53:01 - 00:33:56:15
I'm concerned with the person
who's like, like, but I'm not.
00:33:56:20 - 00:33:59:20
It's all about the mothers. And,
00:34:01:15 - 00:34:03:07
and the friends
00:34:03:07 - 00:34:08:02
and the person you saved their life
that's, you know, like,
00:34:08:14 - 00:34:11:19
and they are amazing and they feel
00:34:12:05 - 00:34:14:19
teenagers feel so powerless.
00:34:14:19 - 00:34:17:19
And a lot of trauma comes from no power.
00:34:18:09 - 00:34:21:09
The opioid crisis doesn't
need to be part of that.
00:34:21:16 - 00:34:26:07
And they are loud and proud,
and they're getting louder and prouder.
00:34:26:07 - 00:34:32:14
And I started my teen program
because I don't just give out analogs.
00:34:32:14 - 00:34:33:18
I mean, in a box.
00:34:33:18 - 00:34:37:10
I put it in a fancy kit
that's shiny that you can find
00:34:37:10 - 00:34:39:15
in the bottom of your handbag.
00:34:41:04 - 00:34:42:22
It's got a QR code that
00:34:42:22 - 00:34:46:18
takes you to the part of my website,
which is shit's hitting the fan.
00:34:46:19 - 00:34:48:05
Someone's down. What?
00:34:48:05 - 00:34:50:23
What did that crazy lady say? Yeah.
00:34:50:23 - 00:34:53:09
And on the back of this card
or the CliffsNotes,
00:34:53:09 - 00:34:56:20
and there's two doses
and there's instructions.
00:34:56:20 - 00:34:59:20
And for the kids that know how to do life
00:35:00:03 - 00:35:04:11
guard duty,
we give them masks to do rescue breathing.
00:35:04:11 - 00:35:05:17
Yeah.
00:35:05:17 - 00:35:07:16
And they just came.
00:35:07:16 - 00:35:09:11
Come and we have a conversation.
00:35:09:11 - 00:35:12:13
And the grown ups are not allowed out
with me in the kids.
00:35:12:13 - 00:35:13:12
They have to stay in the house.
00:35:13:12 - 00:35:16:19
So a whole nother movement
that started amongst those mums
00:35:17:13 - 00:35:20:21
and dads and I cook them fabulous food.
00:35:20:21 - 00:35:23:20
I don't just get a Domino's pizza
and I treat them
00:35:23:23 - 00:35:27:21
like the precious jewels in my crown
that they are.
00:35:28:06 - 00:35:31:21
And we sit out there and we talk
while we're working,
00:35:31:21 - 00:35:36:11
and they tell me things
and we talk about things
00:35:36:11 - 00:35:39:21
and they tell me what people
are not hearing or what stigmas and,
00:35:40:12 - 00:35:43:12
and and it
and now we've trained a few of them
00:35:44:01 - 00:35:47:18
a really good, learning
how to train other people.
00:35:47:18 - 00:35:51:14
And your daughter is one of them,
and they get bullied old school style
00:35:51:14 - 00:35:53:05
to deliver it.
00:35:53:05 - 00:35:56:02
Without that thing
00:35:56:02 - 00:35:59:02
that you're not allowed
to take up spaces like you're.
00:35:59:10 - 00:36:01:10
I'm Sheila,
I'm here to teach you how to save a life.
00:36:01:10 - 00:36:03:20
Boom. Straight in. Yeah.
00:36:03:20 - 00:36:06:21
And that's how my daughter met
you is at a presentation. Yes.
00:36:06:21 - 00:36:10:04
And I actually pulled her out of school
that day because I figured
00:36:11:21 - 00:36:12:08
I love
00:36:12:08 - 00:36:15:04
education,
and, she was going to get an education
00:36:15:04 - 00:36:16:23
that she wouldn't
have gotten anywhere else.
00:36:16:23 - 00:36:20:14
And it really made a mark in her heart.
00:36:20:14 - 00:36:24:20
And all she wanted to do
was then get to know you and learn more
00:36:24:20 - 00:36:28:21
about how to be a part of the solution
and how to normalize these conversations.
00:36:28:21 - 00:36:30:21
And she's very proud of that.
00:36:30:21 - 00:36:32:07
And and she should be proud.
00:36:32:07 - 00:36:34:13
And she's very good as I are all that.
00:36:34:13 - 00:36:38:22
But also, what they have to say influences
my presentation, too,
00:36:38:22 - 00:36:42:08
because they give me lots of information
like what isn't hitting home,
00:36:42:13 - 00:36:45:12
what are they
still asking questions about?
00:36:45:13 - 00:36:48:22
Well, they've we've asked and answered.
00:36:49:10 - 00:36:50:08
Well, they didn't hear it.
00:36:50:08 - 00:36:54:07
So how do we change the presentation
so that they hear it the first time?
00:36:54:19 - 00:36:58:12
And also, you know,
we also teach them how to be organized,
00:36:59:02 - 00:37:02:18
how to do it this way, how to do it
that way, how to make suggestions
00:37:02:22 - 00:37:04:10
because I sounds like cook. Sure.
00:37:04:10 - 00:37:08:13
But if it fellas got a better idea,
I will.
00:37:08:20 - 00:37:11:01
I'll go, oh, let's do it that way,
everyone.
00:37:11:01 - 00:37:13:02
We're doing it this way or you know what?
00:37:13:02 - 00:37:17:23
And that's how good commerce and good
projects are done.
00:37:17:23 - 00:37:20:19
And I do that the old school way. Yeah.
00:37:20:19 - 00:37:23:11
You don't get a prize
for just participating.
00:37:23:11 - 00:37:26:10
And there's something remarkable about the
presentations that the teens are doing.
00:37:26:10 - 00:37:29:10
I know mine has done it
since she was very young,
00:37:29:11 - 00:37:32:09
and it's inspiring to sitting and in
00:37:32:09 - 00:37:36:08
and be a part of the audience
of 100, where there's a child
00:37:37:08 - 00:37:40:07
teaching
the adults things that we don't know.
00:37:40:07 - 00:37:43:07
And that's
why it's important that I train them the
00:37:43:12 - 00:37:45:19
the bullish way that I train them,
00:37:45:19 - 00:37:49:06
because I don't want them
to bring the teen stuff in, you know, the
00:37:49:09 - 00:37:52:19
the flicking and says me flicking my hair
constantly, but,
00:37:53:20 - 00:37:56:01
that the words have to have some gravitas.
00:37:56:01 - 00:37:58:08
This is a serious education.
00:37:58:08 - 00:38:01:10
And and they do that.
00:38:01:10 - 00:38:03:12
They did that
well to the first time they went out.
00:38:03:12 - 00:38:08:12
They were in front of 250 people,
and they were doing it to up at the time,
00:38:08:12 - 00:38:12:17
which is even more complex
and not talking over each other.
00:38:12:17 - 00:38:14:08
And they did it so well.
00:38:14:08 - 00:38:17:06
So churches, schools, temples, synagogues,
private.
00:38:17:06 - 00:38:20:06
Homes, everybody will do it on zoom.
00:38:20:19 - 00:38:23:22
If you're standing behind me in a coffee
shop, you'll get trained by accident.
00:38:23:22 - 00:38:26:15
And, I know my teams are the same.
00:38:26:15 - 00:38:29:16
We make them t shirts
so that they are clearly labeled,
00:38:29:16 - 00:38:32:17
that they are people who know what to do.
00:38:33:01 - 00:38:36:07
They're always carrying
these demonstration models.
00:38:36:07 - 00:38:40:05
They've always got a kit,
and one of the other things like teams,
00:38:40:05 - 00:38:43:19
not meetings, but they'll come and say,
oh yeah, I've got one in my bedside table.
00:38:43:19 - 00:38:44:14
And I go, great.
00:38:44:14 - 00:38:47:10
So that way you're doing the drugs
and they go, no.
00:38:47:10 - 00:38:50:12
And I go, so why have you got the naloxone
in your bedside table?
00:38:50:19 - 00:38:51:23
It should be with you.
00:38:53:10 - 00:38:54:13
It should be with you.
00:38:54:13 - 00:38:59:04
Even if you're not planning or none of
your friends are planning to do drugs.
00:38:59:16 - 00:39:01:13
Yeah, that's not how this works.
00:39:01:13 - 00:39:02:15
Said your kids are free.
00:39:02:15 - 00:39:05:04
So naloxone, clicks, auto Narcan,
everything that you're.
00:39:05:04 - 00:39:07:05
Everything I do, I'm free.
00:39:07:05 - 00:39:08:22
I will train you for free.
00:39:08:22 - 00:39:11:10
I will rock up at your house for free.
00:39:11:10 - 00:39:14:10
I will come to your organization for free.
00:39:14:16 - 00:39:17:03
And we survive on donations.
00:39:17:03 - 00:39:20:16
The donations were originally
from Luke's Funerals
00:39:20:20 - 00:39:23:20
in lieu of flowers and,
00:39:24:22 - 00:39:27:22
we ask for organizations or private.
00:39:27:22 - 00:39:29:05
Give us a donation.
00:39:29:05 - 00:39:31:03
Think of it
as you're buying Luke a cup of coffee.
00:39:31:03 - 00:39:34:23
Sometimes we do whole enormous things,
00:39:34:23 - 00:39:38:06
give out 500 kits
and we don't get a red cent,
00:39:39:09 - 00:39:43:10
and it's like, oh, sometimes you get a
donation doesn't even cover the packaging.
00:39:44:03 - 00:39:47:03
And so
but that's, you know, it's rock and roll.
00:39:47:03 - 00:39:51:01
It goes backwards and forwards it oddly,
the balance stays the same all the time.
00:39:51:01 - 00:39:54:03
I think that's kind of some magic
going on.
00:39:54:03 - 00:39:57:17
And occasionally I'm like, come on, we're
doing grief groups with the homeless.
00:39:57:21 - 00:39:59:02
We've we're moving things.
00:39:59:02 - 00:40:00:21
I need some help do this.
00:40:00:21 - 00:40:04:23
And, projects are always developing
and sometimes
00:40:05:13 - 00:40:08:17
I'm mostly actually
the next level of what we're doing
00:40:08:17 - 00:40:12:20
comes from my teens,
comes from feedback, from a training.
00:40:14:19 - 00:40:17:11
One of the
things I'm hoping to bring the teens to is
00:40:17:11 - 00:40:22:03
we do a training in an anti recidivism
organization,
00:40:22:07 - 00:40:25:17
and I'm standing in front of 100 early
release prisoners. Wow.
00:40:26:08 - 00:40:27:15
All men.
00:40:27:15 - 00:40:30:15
It's a rush. And
00:40:31:21 - 00:40:33:10
or as my partner says,
00:40:33:10 - 00:40:36:21
they start off staring at your tits
and they end up crying into your tits.
00:40:36:21 - 00:40:39:21
And I want them to experience
how that feels to have.
00:40:40:10 - 00:40:42:23
They have a lot more knowledge,
but audience at that point
00:40:42:23 - 00:40:46:06
has more knowledge about the lock zone.
00:40:46:06 - 00:40:49:06
In prison, they don't have naloxone right
00:40:50:03 - 00:40:53:00
so much, and they have their own methods
of doing it.
00:40:53:00 - 00:40:55:05
So you have to be careful
not to patronize your audience.
00:40:55:05 - 00:40:59:13
So sometimes if you come to a rehab
or if you go to a sober living,
00:40:59:21 - 00:41:03:11
the people that I know
more about certain things than you do.
00:41:03:11 - 00:41:05:12
So you stay in your lane, you stay.
00:41:05:12 - 00:41:09:07
And sometimes you're educating people
on how the drug world works.
00:41:09:13 - 00:41:12:23
This thing where reality isn't
part of it's the point of it,
00:41:12:23 - 00:41:16:01
is to step away from facts and reality.
00:41:16:16 - 00:41:19:08
So on your website is access to you? Yeah.
00:41:19:08 - 00:41:20:14
Your battalion squad? Yeah.
00:41:20:14 - 00:41:22:12
Locks on how to save a life.
00:41:22:12 - 00:41:23:14
Your story.
00:41:23:14 - 00:41:25:01
Yeah.
00:41:25:01 - 00:41:27:08
My grief journal from
00:41:27:08 - 00:41:30:10
the first year was published
and is sold hundreds and hundreds.
00:41:30:10 - 00:41:33:03
And I get emails from people that make
00:41:34:05 - 00:41:35:12
it seem worthwhile
00:41:35:12 - 00:41:38:11
laying myself
and completely naked out there.
00:41:39:07 - 00:41:44:08
And then I carry on the grief journal
from there, because, you know, regardless
00:41:44:08 - 00:41:48:22
of what the diagnostic Statistic Manual
would like to say is, it's not over.
00:41:48:22 - 00:41:50:03
Yeah, I'm coming in.
00:41:50:03 - 00:41:53:02
I'm in my ninth year
and I still have terrible days.
00:41:53:02 - 00:41:54:11
I still have days leave.
00:41:54:11 - 00:41:57:14
Just I'm late for this recording
because it's June.
00:41:57:17 - 00:41:58:20
That's Luke's birthday.
00:41:58:20 - 00:42:03:06
I'm all over the place in June, and I'm
all over the place around his death day.
00:42:03:19 - 00:42:06:23
And I don't do it to whine.
00:42:07:08 - 00:42:10:17
I do it
so that someone who is suffering as I do
00:42:10:18 - 00:42:13:07
when the rest of the world
thinks you should be over it by now,
00:42:13:07 - 00:42:17:20
whatever over it means knows that
at least there's another crazy person.
00:42:17:23 - 00:42:20:21
Yeah, we've done a segment on grief
with Debbie Frankel.
00:42:20:21 - 00:42:22:08
Yeah, she's and lovely.
00:42:22:08 - 00:42:24:17
And we talk about how it doesn't go away.
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It's something that we learn to manage
and cope
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with and deal with
and learn from and fuel us, as you said.
00:42:32:10 - 00:42:35:12
And you are one very fuel powerful woman
00:42:35:12 - 00:42:38:16
who is really making
a mark on many young lives,
00:42:39:17 - 00:42:41:06
like my daughter Ella, who
00:42:41:06 - 00:42:44:14
gets to volunteer for you
and is so very proud.
00:42:45:17 - 00:42:46:16
She should be.
00:42:46:16 - 00:42:48:13
And and all the lives
00:42:48:13 - 00:42:51:16
that you're changing
and providing education and awareness for.
00:42:52:01 - 00:42:54:14
And we have a lovely
we just have a team packing.
00:42:54:14 - 00:42:56:13
And it was kind of a reunion.
00:42:56:13 - 00:42:58:13
They were brilliant.
00:42:58:13 - 00:43:00:04
They only the last to know.
00:43:00:04 - 00:43:03:03
It's usually I'm going to Sheila's house.
00:43:03:03 - 00:43:06:03
We've got we've got a party packing kit.
00:43:06:08 - 00:43:08:04
Yeah. Situation. Yeah.
00:43:08:04 - 00:43:09:16
And they won't let me change the menu.
00:43:09:16 - 00:43:12:15
I have to do the same thing every time.
00:43:12:23 - 00:43:13:22
Thank you so much.
00:43:13:22 - 00:43:16:18
And, we're going to make sure
that your information is accessible
00:43:16:18 - 00:43:17:21
all over our podcast.
00:43:17:21 - 00:43:19:16
And I'd like to have you back,
because I know that
00:43:19:16 - 00:43:22:16
this is going to get a lot of questions,
responses and reactions.
00:43:23:00 - 00:43:25:01
And there's so much more to talk
about this.
00:43:25:01 - 00:43:29:15
And also, I encourage,
no matter how crazy your question is
00:43:29:15 - 00:43:34:07
or how damning your question is,
I'm kind of bulletproof at this point.
00:43:34:10 - 00:43:36:06
Yeah. And I,
00:43:37:20 - 00:43:39:07
you can't hurt me.
00:43:39:07 - 00:43:42:07
I've been hurt the hardest
I could ever be hurt.
00:43:44:03 - 00:43:45:11
Thank you for having me.
00:43:45:11 - 00:43:47:18
Thank you for being here.
00:43:47:18 - 00:43:50:18
Sheila Scott's mission proves
one life can save many.
00:43:51:02 - 00:43:52:08
To learn how you can help.
00:43:52:08 - 00:43:56:02
From carrying Naloxone to
sharing her story, visit lukelove.org
00:43:56:09 - 00:43:57:17
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